Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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Some manufacturers are starting to combine freestyle with windfoil or foilstyle on their freestyle boards.

Pioneers of Freestyle /Foilstyle were MB boards in Switzerland.
Their Freestyle Foilstyle board is the Wildcat.
https://www.mb-boards.com/e/products/wi ... eeride.asp
You might wanna turn the noise down for this - https://vimeo.com/337103755

The Pagasus 108L Foilstyle and wingfoil board.
https://www.mb-boards.com/e/products/wi ... l-wing.asp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGRfOoepFdo


JP brought out the JP Freestyle with a foilbox/Powerbox.
So it is intended for use with the NP Glide foil with a base plate.Powerbox head. It is not intended for FoilStyle competition.
https://jp-australia.com/p/windsurfing/ ... freestyle/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shn-Uls9EgY


Starboard are making their Freestyle board suitable for Foilstyle competition, with the Ignite RTF.
210cm long and 63.5cm & 93L, or 66.5cm &103L.
https://www.facebook.com/Starboard.Wind ... 551/?t=728
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Re: Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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Fanatic are introducing a Foilstyle board, that can also be used to wingfoil, but it is a foil only board. One size 103 L and 199cm by 64cm
https://www.fanatic.com/windsurf/boards ... styler-ltd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piOHes-oPwI
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The Fanatic looks ok and it's good to see some more manoeuvre-based foil boards, though I reckon it should be a bit shorter and wider. Having a shorter nose helps on the sea, and I don't think there's really any need to tack a foil board.

They are marketing them as freestyle boards, which may put some people off. They should have a 125l version and call it a freestyle-wave as that's really the equivalent to normal windsurfing - something that's easy to use and you can throw about. They need something to attract medium-heavyweight wavesailors, as currently all the bigger boards are straight-line orientated and look a bit boring to the non-foiler.
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Re: Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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tim319 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:37 pm The Fanatic looks ok and it's good to see some more manoeuvre-based foil boards, though I reckon it should be a bit shorter and wider. Having a shorter nose helps on the sea, and I don't think there's really any need to tack a foil board.

They are marketing them as freestyle boards, which may put some people off. They should have a 125l version and call it a freestyle-wave as that's really the equivalent to normal windsurfing - something that's easy to use and you can throw about. They need something to attract medium-heavyweight wavesailors, as currently all the bigger boards are straight-line orientated and look a bit boring to the non-foiler.
The biggest freestyle boards seem to be about 105 litres nowadays, so that may be why they are going lower in volume for Foilstyle type of boards.

Slingshot have the 130 litre 2021 Wizard, which is quite compact at 188cm by 78cm. It uses foil tracks only.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLN3-O2feSc
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Re: Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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tim319 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:37 pm The Fanatic looks ok and it's good to see some more manoeuvre-based foil boards, though I reckon it should be a bit shorter and wider. Having a shorter nose helps on the sea, and I don't think there's really any need to tack a foil board.

I think the idea with retaining a more traditional nose shape is to a) make it easier to uphaul but b) makes it look more conventional and normal. A short, radical shape could be off-putting to more recreational foilers and folk trying it for the first time. The more normal it looks, the more normal folk you’ll attract. Once they’re hooked and there’s more foiling knowledge set in stone, they can reduce the lengths.
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Re: Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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My Naish foilboard 122 ('normal' shape) was harder to uphaul than a 125 much shorter Slingshot wizard, because on the foil board the volume is where you need it, rather than distributed down the board with a narrow nose and tail (making it more unstable).

On a foilboard you 'need' to be able to uphaul, 100% of the time. So really who would buy a 100L board for foiling... Only anyone under 80kg, which as we know (from waveboards) is a diminishing demographic in an ageing windsurfing population.

Boards like this new fanatic will help kill windsurf foiling stone dead.
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I wish the new starboard kode 125 and 135 came with foil boxes. Maybe not the absolute hotness for foiling but tall about a perfect all around board.
The again some of the 4-in-1 boards are also looking great like the new Fanatic Bee and Sunova.
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Re: Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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Josh White converted my Flare 111 to have twin tracks pre lockdown (it needed its fin box replacing anyway). I havent yet dared to use it in foil mode because of the uphaul challenge. Im hoping it will be easier to uphaul with a foil on it and in salt water than it is in fin mode on fresh water (very, very difficult but not necessarily impossible for my 90kgs), but to test that I need the right conditions otherwise it might end badly! Realistically it will get mainly used by my daughter assuming she wants to do freeride/freestyle foiling as well as the racing. Im guessing that for someone 80kgs or below it would be fun.

If I was making 90% of my foil gybes dry then I wouldnt mind an awkward uphaul every so often, or a long wait for a gust to light wind water start, but Im not there yet unfortunately.
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Re: Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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Interesting Smidge. I make 99% of my foil gybes flying and I still wouldn't want a board that was tricky to uphaul. When foiling we so often sail in wind that is variable and can simply disappear for 15mins. This has happened to me many times.
When it did disappear I really struggled to stay on the Naish 122 (229x73). With NO wind to lean against it was very very hard. I could uphaul ok, but then couldn't sail along. With my new Naish Micro Hover (shorter, thicker and fatter) its so much easier, and feels smaller when you are actually foiling.

It's for this reason that this Fanatic is all wrong.

Slightly off topic but...
By contrast on a wing you need less volume, I felt completely comfortable on the RRD Pocket Rocket (180x76 122L) with a wing even when there was not enough wind to fly the wing (maybe 2-3knots) just holding it up and catching those 2-3knots gives far more stability than a dead windsurf rig.
In addition you aren't carrying 8-10kg of windsurf rig loading the board either, in fact the wing even in a couple of knots is actively lifting your weight off the board.
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Re: Foilstyle Freestyle Windfoil boards.

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Good points Rod. That comfortable pootling along in prolonged nothing lulls is a big feature of my foiling at Queen Mary. And I will never give up a big floaty foilable board. I can only think these smaller boards are targeting water starting wind conditions, or real lightweights. I know advanced sailors who are now wanting to only foil, even in 25kts plus. In the summer in Vass I foiled in slightly stronger and consistent winds a few times (16 - 20kts). It was a real pleasure to be able to waterstart (especially given aggressive non slip when wearing boardshorts!) and to be able to foil up effortlessly. In those conditions I could have easily foiled a 110l board - and it would have been a lot more fun than trying to make a FSW or freestyle type windsurf work at my weight (there isnt much I want to do on a windsurf board sub about 20kts, if there isnt a wave, unless I havent been on the water for a long time).
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