JP Freefoil 115

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JP Freefoil 115

Post by Sailrepair » Fri May 22, 2020 2:18 pm

I had my first short session on the JP Freefoil 115 early this morning
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So as expected the freefoil is quite a bit easier to uphaul and tack. I'm 95kg and a foot in front of the mast is a big no no on the hydrofoil 105 but the mast track is a lot further back on the freefoil.

I thought I would love the single back strap but I found it a bit weird. When windy I could get in the front and back straps and pump/accelerate onto the foil. The tail is narrower on the freefoil and it might have been about 15cm underwater before I started coming up onto the foil. In lighter winds I would leave my back foot forward a bit then go in the strap when flying. I am just not used to flying yet with the single back strap. If I had to say I would say the hydrofoil 105 will fly earlier. It has a wider tail and is about 1kg lighter. But the freefoil felt comfortable when flying.

Gybing was fine, the deck felt a bit more cluttered than I am used to but that is partly because I have been using my big foil board quite a bit recently.

I used it with a AFS w95 with a 800 wing.

I should get out on it again soon and will let you know any other observations.

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by motogon » Fri May 22, 2020 4:53 pm

Thank you! Keep us updated! I'm thinking about getting FreeFoil.

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by ronnie » Sat May 23, 2020 8:34 am

Thanks for the feedback!

There does seem to be a trade off then, for the narrower tail and rear straps - also the volume of the tail.

Windsurf looked at the effect of width of the tail in their test of the JP Foil120, trying the board with a 70cm mast and an 85cm mast, and also comparing with narrower tailed foil ready boards.
https://www.windsurf.co.uk/test/neil-pr ... st-review/

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by Sailrepair » Sat May 23, 2020 10:46 am

I forgot to say that the freefoil waterstarts in a conventional manner ie like most other 115 ltr boards where as the hydrofoil 105 feels a small board but waterstarts line a 135ltr board - the tail doesn't sink down and it is a bigger step up onto the board.

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by ronnie » Sat May 23, 2020 11:27 am

Sailrepair wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:46 am
I forgot to say that the freefoil waterstarts in a conventional manner ie like most other 115 ltr boards where as the hydrofoil 105 feels a small board but waterstarts line a 135ltr board - the tail doesn't sink down and it is a bigger step up onto the board.
Thanks - that's useful info.
I find the 105 is a bit harder to waterstart due to the high volume tail, and the chamfers of the front half seem to let the nose blow downwind easier, so the sail needs raked back a little more. It seems the Freefoil 115 is easier to uphaul and waterstart.

It certainly sounds interesting to me. I'd expect it to certainly be better than my JP 115 SUP foil at windfoiling and SUP with a fin - two of my 3 requirements.
I still have to get to wind and wingfoiling the SUP 115, so I'll have to see how that goes this Summer.

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by Sailrepair » Sun May 24, 2020 3:41 pm

The first time I used the 115 it was quite windy. Back out today in very light winds, gusting up to 10 kts with a 5.8-

Quite interesting

Single back strap

Definitely easier to uphaul and tack than the 105.
But in a very low wind gybe it is harder - the 115 will sink its tail more (less volume in the tail) + because the mast foot is so far back you can't flatten it off easily with mastfoot pressure. So it is a more wobbly light wind flare gybe.

Eventually some gusts came along with some drizzle and I don't think it flies quite as early as the 105. The 105 you can start pumping with my back foot forward and then progressively slide it back over the foil bolts and get the board up but to slide your foot back on the 115 you then need to get into the back strap. Doable but not as easy.

Then light wind flying gybes - you really have to get your weight back to keep the board up and flying out of the gybe. With the 115 there is no room to get your foot back so the board drops. The other day when it was windy it wasn't a issue but today it was about 10kts and I think I could have flown the 105 round but the 115 dropped on exit, normally if I fly in I fly out. I guess I will get the hang of it.

I hope to get out again tomorrow.

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by rod » Sun May 24, 2020 5:21 pm

Can you move the foil forward on the 115? Does it have a pedestal or tuttle mount?

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by Sailrepair » Sun May 24, 2020 5:41 pm

rod wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:21 pm
Can you move the foil forward on the 115? Does it have a pedestal or tuttle mount?
It has both a deep tuttle with the pedestal tracks on either side. At the moment all my foil are deep Tuttle so I can't move them but I do have a AFS alpha on order which I would be able to (and would have to) move forward.

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by rod » Sun May 24, 2020 9:52 pm

Slightly different question... can you use a pedestal mount on all the AFS foils ?

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Re: JP Freefoil 115

Post by Sailrepair » Mon May 25, 2020 7:28 am

rod wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:52 pm
Slightly different question... can you use a pedestal mount on all the AFS foils ?
No just the new Alpha range and some of the old "surf" range.

Its funny how different brands have different priorities. AFS strongly believe that stiffness is paramount to performance so they tend to stick with as few joints as possible ie the heads are fixed and so to is the mast/fuselage. It is also why they won't use aluminium.

Here AFS explain why they make the alpha foil the way it is -

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