new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

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new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by northy » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:04 pm

Im thinking of getting some new sails

i had had Ezzy SEs, then icons, followed by Blades (2007 i think) - and beginning to think of some new ones
its a shared quiver for me @87kg (trying to get down to <85kg) and my son who is 75kg - sailing waves but need to have allround ability.

Some thoughts / questions

1. There was perceived wisdom to get sails from one model range eg all Icons or whatever - im wondering in reality if that makes sense
The argument was that it was a consistent feel - but if you only sail 1 per week (if that) then i dont think it matters at all - you are always adjusting to new conditions?

2. This leads to me to question if you need different reqs in your larger vs small sails? So for example you get a really pully 5.5-6m, and then 5.3 and 4.7 as all rounders and then 4.2 as top end specialist (eg for my 87kg - your sizes will vary)

3. And that might allow you to consolidate masts eg - the S1 5.6 sits on a 400 - do any other?

4. Then there is sail spacing...traditionally there are kinda 2 broad schools - 5.7, 5.3, 4.7, 4.2...or 5.5, 5.0, 4.5, 4.0. i literally only use 4,2 once per year and share sails with son - and im wondering that given 90% of our sailing is less windy, we might do something like 5.7, 5.3, 5.0, 4.7 and 4.2..or 6.0, 5.5, 5.0, 4.7 and we are more covered for the larger sizes

5. FYI In my spotlight are:

a) Continue with Severne but maybe swap S1s in largest size(s) instead of Blades. Blades are great but IMO i dont think their bottom end is amazing for the light winds i sail in and float-n-ride
b) reality that would be all Banzais i guess as the 3 batten Fringe is too soft for me im sure. Banzais also seem to be a little marmite ie many love them but others just dont seem to "get them". From a design viewpoint, they have a shorter boom than almost any other sail....implications? i will try one out in next couple of weeks i hope from a local mate who is testing it out now
c) Pryde - Combats - these seem to have fallen out of fashion? They always had a rep for being expensive but i thnk they are the same price as others...and googling around (Windsurf, Windmag, and the excellent German Surf tests via their App) the 2018 and 2019s have been really very well received....Do you see them? Are they durable?
d) Duotone Super heros - i hear they are very soft and that large space between the battens indicates the same - need to have a go but despite all universal magazine test praise, im not sure i will like them
e) Simmer Blacktips - a good allrounder im sure...a safe bet albeit i read the 2018s were not great bottom end? A slight other gripe is using bloody white material (see 2020s)....for a "muddy" UK im not sure thats a great idea rigging on stones and grass and wet sand etc
f) KS3 - these kinda intrigue me - but but but not sure i can get my head around them sufficiently - just rememberd i had some HSM superfreaks and really didnt like them (too soft and "vague").

Thoughts / feedback?

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by BTB » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:17 pm

Are you getting new masts or what do you have? Makes a massive difference if you want to use what you have!

As a north / simmer user I can recommend both. I don’t have the latest models but it is year on year consistency that makes them my go to brand! Goya’s are popular here but when I tried I didn’t get on with them! I have never disliked a north sail, simmer or Pryde! But Pryde have mast compatibility issues that mean I won’t consider them.

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by deckchair » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:33 pm

so good spending some else's money :D
Ezzy elite's 5.8, 5.2, 4.7, 4.2 and 3.5
ezzy rdm masts
chinook rd carbon booms

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by Farnorthsurfer » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:48 pm

I am enjoying the forum but have noticed that all anyone talks about are sails below 6m sizes and there is a lot of emphasis on wave sailing.
Not a problem with wave sailing, wish I could do more of it but especially in the summer my 94kg sorry carcass gets dragged about much more effectively by 6.7 to 8.5m kit.
In answer to the sail quiver conundrum I have spent time and not a little money getting to the point where it all works together and feels/handles/rigs in an understandable way. For me that is Neil Pryde Combat/Atlas/Hellcat Sails with one or two Tushingham multicams/big jobs left over for speed sessions. Maverx masts work well. I bought the most used sizes 5.0, 5.4, 5.8 and 6.2m Atlas not just because they cover every eventuality but also because they will last longer as the wear is spread out more. I hardly ever take all of them to the beach and choose based on the forecast what gets chucked in the van. Neil Pryde doesn't seem to be trendy right now but they are all built well and last a long time IMHO.

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by Ruaraidh_K257 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:51 pm

You already know what I think you should get! But one Moreno point, Goya make the Guru model which is a mix of the Banzai and the Fringe, a softer four batten sail designed for lighter riders/good waves etc that might be up your street in the bigger sizes? Marino uses them in Pozo and absolutely rips but not sure who else uses them.
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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by socialsailor » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:22 pm

Re: Superfreaks - while it has a cult following I was not a fan either. I also found them soft and vague and not very powerful for their size, needed a bigger sail to get going. Maybe the SFME is a different animal, but not tried them.

The KS3 is a totally different feel. Much easier to pump onto a plane, none of that vague or soft feeling that the super freak has. Feels like a 5 batten in a straight line but then goes soft off the top on a wave. The only similarity to the super freak is they also handle gusty winds well.

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by DavidA » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:59 pm

Some good points there and I think if you are sharing a quiver like I do then different styles from the same brand is worth considering.. we are currently on banzai and at 95 kg mainly use the 6 and 5.3 and my wife at 65 kg the 3.7 and 4.2 leaving a 4.7 in between we were only discussing at the weekend that next time we might get the the 2 small sails as a Fringe..

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by DavidA » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:02 pm

By the way I think the S1 spacing is a bit weird when we were looking I couldn’t make sense of it for us who wanted 5 sails from 6 down to 3.7

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by northy » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:52 am

ps i should probably add GA Manic to that list...but they too also seem unfashionable? But Surf mag gave them a brill test at start of the yr

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Re: new Sail planning - thoughts / ideas

Post by Smidge » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:50 am

I have had Blades for 6 years, and have always sailed Blades at Vass for the annual family jaunt. This year Vass have Duotone super heros and super sessions as well as Blades. I mainly sailed the Super Heros for 2 weeks of solid wind (flat, choppy water, trying loops). I never felt 100% settled with them - I cant really point at why. Not a big problem just a 5% not quite right feeling that reduced my confidence a bit, I would have expected that for the first day or two but not more. Then on the last 2 days I took Blades and they felt perfect - completely at one with them. Instructors seemed to rate Super heros though - especially for freestyle crossover

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