Big wave sail (>5.8)

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Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by Hal9000 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:54 am

Do anyone of you have a big wave sail in their quiver (simmer 5.9, banzai 6.3... those kind of sail)? Considering for example 80kg sailor. The goal would be to go out in less wind when there is not a lot of waves or with low power waves

I would like to know if you are happy about them : Windrange? Is it still manoeuvrable in the wave? Does it feel big? do you maybe have to switch to 5.3 too fast to be really useful?
Would love to have your insights if you have some!

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by wully » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:12 am

My 5.8 KS3 is brilliant.

Massive grunt, light weight ,feels compact. At just under 90 kg I have 5.8, 5.2, 4.6 , (KS3) 4.0 (old Tush Rock)as wave sails.

Just hard to get here as the importer doesn’t really...bought mine from France.

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by PK1111 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:35 am

I use a 5.9 severne freek on my fsw to get going in 15 knots. It’s more of a 5 batten fsw sail than a wave sail.
It can be used to ride waves, but I prefer to swap down to an S1 5.6, which has a lot less early planing grunt, but is far more manoeuvrable, and is a big improvement over an S1 5.3.

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by DavidA » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:47 am

I used to have a 5.9 simmer blacktip which was an awesome sail for the heavyweight 95kg to go wavesailing and never really felt too big. We have now swapped to Banzais and I have 6m which again is a great sail and doesn't really feel too big. The funny thing is I don't know if its psychology but I have tried 6.3 etc at hire centres and they have seemed big not sure if the magic number in your mind is 6?

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by northy » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:28 am

Hi - i was going to open up another thread on the subj of sails

i think in decent waves then smaller is fine - with floatier board
but for onshore and heavier weights, then a 5.3 is too small a lot of the time
when i use my 5.7 in waves it always feels a bit cumbersome (im 87kg) - but sometimes you need more cloth to get going

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by rod » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:02 pm

I love my Ezzy 5.8. Easily my most used sail. I loop and waveride with it (eg yesterday!). And wind foil with it.

Don't forget that Josh Angulo won the classic 2007 PWA Cabe Verde wave competition on an Ezzy 5.8.

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by deckchair » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:43 pm

totally agree with rod .i have ezzy wave panther 5.8 . i don't use it on my 83l board but when the 93l large wave board comes out its a joy to use. With the recent advent of foiling i use it for that as well. :D

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by BTB » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:05 pm

My north duke 5.9 is the go to sail for anything marginal. I’m 90 kg when wet and sailing classic cross onshore. Float and ride to me is what you end up doing when you can’t get going and just before you wash up on the beach!

It is in reality a sail that covers everything as it gets used in a wide range of conditions, I think personally im happy with a freestyle type sail as that is biased towards low end planning. If it’s on shore them blobbing out is not really an option.

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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by TOTD » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:35 pm

5.8m should be fine for purpose intended, any number would work,so long as the board isn’t too small, nor light wind is too light.
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Re: Big wave sail (>5.8)

Post by socialsailor » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:19 pm

I’m 83-84 kg and live in Florida so most of my sailing is with big sails. Currently in my garage I have a 6.7 Simmer Apex, a 6.4 North Volt, a 6.2 Neil Pryde Atlas, a 5.5, 6.1 and 6.7 Hot Sails Maui KS3. The Simmer Apex is for sale, it feels heavy and lacking in power. The Volt is really nice on flat water and good enough in the waves. The Neil Pryde is also for sale. It is good in the waves, more powerful than the 6.1 KS3, but I do feel it’s weight in slogging conditions. And I find I am more tired after using it. Based on putting the Atlas on top of the 6.4 Volt and the 6.1 KS3 I think the Atlas is actually a 6.4. My favorites (as stated in other threads are the KS3. They just seem to disappear when on a wave, they have power true to their size but perform on a wave like a sail 0.5 smaller. I’ve also sailed the fringe 6.3 and the banzai 6.3, and for well powered to over powered the banzai was brilliant, but for slog and ride to pump to plane conditions I thought the fringe was more fun.

I match these sails with a Quatro Sphere 115 for cross shore,a Severne Dyno 115 for cross on and onshore, and a Quatro Mini Thruster 103 for the 6.1 and 5.5.

I lived on Oahu for a while and only owned a 90 L board and 2 sails back then, a 5.5 and a 5.0. In cross off conditions with a channel I could slog with a 5.5 all the way down to 10 knots. But here in Florida with the same wind, cross onshore direction and no channel I need a 6.7 and 115 L FSW (and not too big waves) to have any chance of getting out.

Bottom line - if a big sail only gets you 1 or 2 extra sessions a year I would not bother. But if a big sail will double your sailing days then it’s totally worth it to put up with the 430 mast / 185 ish boom and heavier sail.

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