How and why do the MB boards carve?

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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by PhilN » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:41 am

Or just drag the photo into the reply box

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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by ronnie » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:01 am

In the absence of info on the MB boards, we seem to have got onto the Stubby - which to me looks very different to the MB boards - Stubby looks much closer to the Grip than the MB.

Adam does use the Stubby quite a lot and explains what advantages it has in this. More that it planes earlier and gets around a wave break more consistently in light or stop/start winds?

There are videos where Adam also uses it in proper down the line waves.

Victor talking about the Stubby he uses.

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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by Ruaraidh_K257 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:19 am

Bouke/Witchcraft wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:14 am
Ruaraidh_K257 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:21 am
a 99l for ultra light float and ride which has tons of rocker. These boards seem to offer so much more range than a regular waveboard...
That is contradictive as rocker greatly reduces wind range. So if that 99 has tons of rocker, it will be a dog to get planing. Which is fine if you just use it for float n ride but that greatly limits it´s use and range. Most people would want their big board to get planing earlier.
Like the old Evos which were a kind of pre decessors for the Stubbies being quite paralel with a wide tail and tail kick. They needed quite a lot of power to get planing, in spite of the wide tail. The tail rocker would just suck it down.
Sorry, the 99 was the exception. It’s not a production board and is built specifically for float and ride. Only the production models have a massive range.
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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by Ruaraidh_K257 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:21 am

This is the diagram. Thanks for the help!
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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by Ruaraidh_K257 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:23 am

The MBs are obviously more suited to shitty onshore conditions that perfect DTL but they do seem to work fairly well...
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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by Ruaraidh_K257 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:26 am

Bouke/Witchcraft wrote:
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Bouke are you basing your dislike of Stubbies off theory, and only seeing amateur sailors use them at your home break? Even if you sold the absolute best wave board in the world to a rubbish wavesailor, you wouldn’t get amazing results. Adam rips on his production stubby, and it doesn’t look like it’s holding him back at all...
I know of various excellent sailors who tried them, also some of my own teamriders who have world cup level. Also I guess most or all pros would have tried them by now and use them if they wanted to. Though I don´t think it will be unthinkable that a marketing manager decides that one guy has to ride more this type of board and another guy another type of board.
You could also say some riders could ride a door and make it look good. I have seen Yannick Anton (58kg) take out a Shaman 115 with 673 width and make aerials with it. When ever he gets on a new board, he will need some time to figure it out but then make it work. But he can also tell me exactly how and why. And also it is important that an average amateur sailor can sail them and the board is not restricting. As that´s whom I make boards for. And I´ve seen a guy trying to ride waves but stalling half way though the bottom turn as the straps are too far back for him. An Adam Lewis will know how to lean forward just enough not to catch the rail. A more traditional shape has the straps more forward and the rounder outline stops the front rail from catching.

So maybe a Stubby won’t offer the same results in down the line (for an amateur) as it would for Adam who is able to read the board and wave perfectly... but it offers a much better compromise than a normal shape would, as it gives loads of speed and power in bad conditions as well.
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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by ronnie » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:29 am

Ruaraidh_K257 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:21 am
This is the diagram. Thanks for the help!
I've seen that before, and it makes sense for flexible skis in snow for sure.
I bought some cheap, stiff, straight sided water skis once and they didn't turn. Some water skis have that shape, but they are also flexible.
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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by Bouke/Witchcraft » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:50 am

Just watched the turns of Adam, in the top turn he deliberately catches the front rail and releases the tail, Marcilio Browne style. That is pretty hard to do. I can´t do that, if it happens it is by accident. Will and Yannick can but don´t like that way of turning, they say it is forced, for competitions. Especially Will likes to have a lot of grip to not lose the tail. Will is of a similar level as Adam, he just gets super nervous in competitions and gave up his ambitions to become a pro. Even when he knows there is a camera pointed at him he takes too big risks. He now has a succesful business which allows him to sail every afternoon.
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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by Bouke/Witchcraft » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:00 am

Ruaraidh_K257 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:23 am
The MBs are obviously more suited to shitty onshore conditions that perfect DTL but they do seem to work fairly well...
And an image of the top turn? I would like to see that.
Even that bottom turn is not like the diagram. The tail is deeper than the nose. Water is something different than snow and a board does not flex. Still, he is close to catch the rail/nose in the bottom turn, any bit of chop and he will be over the front. Also it will be hard to adjust the turn mid turn.
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Re: How and why do the MB boards carve?

Post by ronnie » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:39 am

Bouke/Witchcraft wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:00 am
Ruaraidh_K257 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:23 am
The MBs are obviously more suited to shitty onshore conditions that perfect DTL but they do seem to work fairly well...
And an image of the top turn? I would like to see that.
Even that bottom turn is not like the diagram. The tail is deeper than the nose. Water is something different than snow and a board does not flex. Still, he is close to catch the rail/nose in the bottom turn, any bit of chop and he will be over the front. Also it will be hard to adjust the turn mid turn.
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