Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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Ensis launches its board as well.
They look very much the same as the MB and Moses but the word from the distributor is that the shape is slightly tweaked and lighter, although 7.2kg for a 97l board isnt particularly light imo.
https://ensis.surf/products/boards/

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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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I read a lot of this post and am still confused. Is there a consensus on what design works well for a board to wind and wing, or should I just wing? I am 85kg and looking for some fun in light winds when I would usually be on 125l/7,5m or pottering about on 6m. Where I sail a well-powered 6m is already fun enough. Previously I saw wind as the light windfoil option and wing as more fun, however, people seem to be wing in lighter winds now though unsure if that is better gear or skill. Should I just wing?
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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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I don,t think that Hybrids will ever be as good as a board designed for a single purpose.
Shape wise it is allover the place but there is general consensus that a very short and thick LIGHT board is quicker up to plane and easier to pump as longer types. To give a number, not much need for a board of 6ft+

and what to do...do you really wanna depend for that on what some morons on the internet write? :)
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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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maker wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 9:01 am I read a lot of this post and am still confused. Is there a consensus on what design works well for a board to wind and wing, or should I just wing? I am 85kg and looking for some fun in light winds when I would usually be on 125l/7,5m or pottering about on 6m. Where I sail a well-powered 6m is already fun enough. Previously I saw wind as the light windfoil option and wing as more fun, however, people seem to be wing in lighter winds now though unsure if that is better gear or skill. Should I just wing?

It looks like it will always be a compromise to do both.
eg. The 2021 JP foil board range shows the design differences (though they grade the Hybrids as the same as the specialist boards for wingfoil or windfoil - which can't be right). eg. if the X-Winger is grade 5 for wingfoil, the X-Foil has to be grade 4 or lower? Likewise - Hydrofoil grade 5 - Freefoil has to be 4 or lower for windfoil?
https://jp-australia.com/foil-boards/

X-Winger - wingfoil board
X-Foil - wingfoil-biased hybrid
Freefoil - windfoil-biased hybrid
Hydrofoil - windfoil board

My 173cm by 67cm 100L X-Foil has arrived.
I tried paddling it on flat water (me, 70kg). It was OK to paddle. I only want to paddle for exercise and to develop paddling skills. I could stand up to kneel down to prone etc. without falling in. I could paddle it straight on my right side, but not my left - I'll have to improve my paddling on that side.
I've tried carrying it with a sail and foil attached and that works comfortably - thanks to the handle.
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I tried it for the first time with a Unit 5m wing and Zeeko Spitfire XXL foil at the most forward position. I'd guess the wind was about 15mph dropping fairly quickly to 12mph. I was happy to stay on the water to get used to the board and foil. The foil might be better a couple of inches back, but it will be within the front 2" of the tracks. The board is a bit tricky to steer on the knees, but that might be me not yet getting my fore/aft position perfect yet. It steered OK while standing.
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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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The Ensis Rock n Roll is on my new board shortlist along with the MB Boards Albatross.
The 117/118 size is right I think and the features look well thought out. Handles top and bottom and good strap options.
Other advantages might be European build not having to come through the Suez Canal and better availability.
The Fanatic Sky Wing 5’8” would be nice but getting one looks to be very difficult.
As for the weight, it’s important but I would take any Internet weights with a pinch of salt.
A shop actually weighed the MB 118 for me and it was 8.8kg.
Also had it confirmed that the MB works well with the foils I fancy which is reassuring.
From my internet reading the same shaper is behind all three and they are made in Slovenia.
Although info on the construction of the Ensis is not very comprehensive.
Been happy on my Starboard Hypernut, it’s very versatile for Wing and Windfoiling as well as SUP Surf. But I agree that a dedicated board will probably make the Wing easier.
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Maker, just wing.

Jeroensurf, rescue orange aswell !
Are you going for the Slicks now? I heard the Unit is for the chop.
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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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@jeroensurf do you know the actual weight of the Fanatic Sky Wing for reference?
It seems to be very popular everywhere.

I am a bit hooked on winging at the moment and have been out in conditions which would have been a Witchcraft day last year. For light wind it’s still best out on the JP Foil135, with an old Tushingham Hekler 7.5m and either the Slingshot i84 or AFS Foil I can get my 94kg foiling in about 10kts reliably. A knot or two less if you can get it up in a wee gust.
No idea if this sort of wind will work with a big wing as I only have a 5m Echo but from other reports it could be possible.
I think the windfoiling remains most efficient at this time. There is no way my kit is as optimised as Sailrepair’s new kit and I can’t keep up with his current kit. :D .
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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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James.blonde wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:38 am Maker, just wing.

Jeroensurf, rescue orange aswell !
Are you going for the Slicks now? I heard the Unit is for the chop.
I try to get my hands on a Slick 6m but the demand is very high so not sure if the shop can deliver them.
From my point of view the Unit makes a lot of sense for wave (and I heard a rumour that they come with a fresh Unit in the autumn). But I don,t see any reason to keep the Echo in the range
Farnorthsurfer wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 12:08 pm @jeroensurf do you know the actual weight of the Fanatic Sky Wing for reference?
Just weighted it: 7.8kg incl a thick coiled waist-leash
The Naish UltraCarbon 5.10 is at least more than 1kg lighter.
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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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New Fanatic Stingray LTD windfoil/wingfoil boards. Seem to be similar to the JP Freefoil.

https://www.fanatic.com/foil/boards/win ... y-foil-ltd

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Re: Windfoil + wingfoil boards.

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Another great BluePlanet wingfoil interview - this time with Gunnar Biniasch. Covers a lot of learning and design insights.

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