What kit are you flying on?

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What kit are you flying on?

Post by Sailrepair » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:09 pm

Unlike all the other forums I hope this foiling section can be used for informative chat and not just a load of videos.

So I will kick off this thread with the boards I have owned and a short comment on each.

JP foil 135 - This is what I learnt on and its a good board, flies early, probably too early for the first few sessions - the orange paint chipped off easily and its impossible to get a colour match so I sold it.
Old starboard Ftype 158 - a aircraft carrier of a board at 1m wide but actually it balanced in the air very well.
AHD SL2 132 - nice board works well for me
Novenove duo - inflatable board - It is quite narrow (77cm) so I am going to get a different foil to try on it as I have struggled a bit with it so far.
Goya bolt 135 - I am 93kg and I found its tail too narrow so it would drag a bit, it needed more wind to take off than my AHD but quite composed in the air when windy.
Novenove revo 135 - I got this on the recommendation of a certain test editor. And Is nice, flies very easily .

And now I am using another AHD sl2 which suits the "gust hunting" type foiling that I tend to do.

The above boards have been used with a NP alu foil - great for the money. AFS2 - very nice and a AFS W95 .

I have a larger 800 wing for the AFS w95 foil and it lets me fly in lighter winds and is very stable.

Sails I used severne overdrives and they are good in a straight line but I was struggling to keep flying round my gybes so I changed to severne turbos which I like. I currently have 6.0, 7.0 and 8.1 but I am going to change to 6.5, 7.5 and 8.6. I very occasionally use my witchcraft karma 5.3 but here it is quite gusty so I tend to switch to conventional kit once the wind is 20kts.

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by Smidge » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:05 pm

I have an NP alu pink foil and an ancient Starboard Formula 155 (85 wide). Im 90kgs. I have been struggling to go foiling consistently enough to get it dialed into my head properly, but now that I have got a bit more settled Im aware that the footstrap positions arent right. If you look at a foil dedicated board you will see that the back screws of the back strap are about 1cm forward of where the back hole of the Tuttle box is. On my board that is more like 1 cm back from the front tuttle hole. Foil ready windsurf boards seem to have exactly the same problem (let me know if any exceptions)

I get the feeling when Im sailing that im trying to balance on a see saw with my back leg on the balance point of the seesaw and my front leg out on a limb (i.e. tricky...) - where as if the back leg was just a tiny bit past the balance point it would be so much easier to keep it stable. This is just my perception and I might be wrong. My board doesnt have space for an extra row of strap holes (back of board is like a V so that fin is far back), so Im going to stick a bit more non slip padding right on the back of the board and try it strapless at the back.

Im also biding my time to buy a new foil and probably dedicated board. I think the pink NP is great for learning and all round use - including going quite fast - and being robust - but what I really want is to get going in very low wind strength and just cruising around and easy gybing (so a bit more like how Naish position it).

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by Sailrepair » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:26 pm

Hi Smidge
I had the same sort of issues with the starboard Ftype. I think you want your back foot in line with the front foil bolt. I'm quite happy leaving my back foot out of the strap and I used to sail the starboard most of the time like that. My starboard had those big white plastic washers on the fin bolts and the front washer was almost like a magic button to make the board fly. I could feel for the washer without having to look. As soon as my toes touched it the board would come up and stay level. I would only use the back strap when well powered when the foil had enough lift to support my more forward weight. In a way its sort of good as it means you can avoid over foiling in stronger winds better. On the dedicated foil boards it is easier to overfoil in the straps.

What size sails are you using? I had the NP pink foil and I'm 93kg and I think I could get flying in about 8kts and carry on through a 6kt lull but I needed a 8.6m or 7.8 sail to do it.

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by Smidge » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:10 pm

Interesting. I will try it like that - been a bit put off strapless as my non slip in the middle and back is so bad but that will soon be fixed. I have sailed it with a 5.7 Blade (first goes in c. 15 kts), 6.5 Gator and 7.5 Gator. I havent yet got my pumping properly dialed so I struggle to get going in less than a c. 12 - 13 kts gust and the balance issue has been hindering my gliding through lulls. I get the sense that I can keep going through low lulls if I could only keep the foil flat.

Watching and talking to the expert foilers at Queen Mary and also my own experience, is that foiling seems well suited to moderately gusty lake locations, as, at least as a beginner, a gust makes getting up easy, and then you can stay up without over foiling as the gust dies off (when I say gust I mean when its average 10-12 kts, gusting 14-15 - not 30 kt squalls!). Also, the contrast in fun between pootling about on a lake in light winds on a normal windsurf that gets planing 10% of the time compared to foiling 50% of the time is massive, whereas if you live at a nice bump and jump or wave venue you can always just wait for another day to get your adrenaline.

Where do you put your washer?

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by wully » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:50 pm

I’m using an ancient Hypersonic 125 with a Pink Pryde foil, seems to work fine the few times Ive tried - so far so good.

I’ve only used it with a Tushy Bolt 6.5 and in winds between 10-15 knots when I felt I could have used a smaller sail as I didn’t have to pump much to get up on the foil.if at all. I bought an old 7.8 four cam race sail that I’ll try once I’m happy foiling with at least some control but I doubt it will get much use.

I think the Hypersonic is a good foil starter board as you need to sail it the same way you foil it - get in the straps, boot it off the wind and sheet in! ( or pump if you’re properly powered..)

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by Sailrepair » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:00 pm

I got on much better with the NP foil when I took the washer off. When I followed the supplied instructions about the washer I found the foil wanted to rise all the time.

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by wully » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:15 pm

Sailrepair wrote:
Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:00 pm
I got on much better with the NP foil when I took the washer off. When I followed the supplied instructions about the washer I found the foil wanted to rise all the time.
That is what happened to me first time out - just kept launching me out the water. Much better without the washer.

Did you coat the bolts with anything or just wash everything with fresh water?

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by Sailrepair » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:49 pm

The bolts are supposed to be titanium so I bought some specialist ti grease from a bike shop and used that and it was generally ok. I did leave it about 2 month once before taking it apart and I only just managed to get some of the bolts loose.

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by wully » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:14 pm

I take the foil apart and wash everything in fresh water after every use as I’m paranoid about the bolts seizing..

I’ve got some Duralac paste I use for bedding stainless steel fitting to my boats aluminium mast but it is sort or a permanent jointing compound. I’m going to Look into using Tefgel instead..

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Re: What kit are you flying on?

Post by Sailrepair » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:40 pm

I know some folk who have used nothing on the bolts and had no problems.

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