PWA Slalom 2021.

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BTB wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:16 pm
The short course with very gusty winds makes the racing very watchable. In almost all slalom races the guy out front on the 2nd reach wins. But not here. With such light wind at the 3rd mark this was very interesting as it was often a battle for control on the start line and many overshooting but by the time they were gybing for the 3rd time they were dropping of the plane and pumping to get going. That and the mix of foil and fin gave the race a very strange dynamic - great to watch.
I think once they have all used foils a lot more the foil racing will be like that, the leader at the 2nd mark will win. The foils stay planing in lulls and around the marks, so there will be less overtaking, perhaps. In stronger winds and over larger chop, the fin skills are going fast over chop. With foils, you are above the chop. We will have to wait and see.

A positive of foiling is fewer abandoned heats due to the wind dropping. I watched 1 heat where they were all using fins, the wind dropped at the 3rd bouy and they abandoned the heat. When 1 person was using a foil they carried on.

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Agree with that. The gybing is fast with wide arcs and losing ground down wind doesn't seem to be an issue on foil in the same way as a fin. A fin sailor is far more disadvantaged if they run wide. This means the gybing on fin is tight with aggresive lines, the foils just arc round and they can point up on the way out without it impacting speed. This when you have both in a race is great to watch, but if its all foil it could get boring as they just go round like they are on rails and there is little chance to change a race by making a good tight fast gybe.
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Seems like most are on the foil this afternoon. Heat 3 in the mens I think 4 or 5 crashed out in a straight line. Something up with the wind and angles?

Heat 2. In Question of Sport mode, What happened next?
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Lang and Goyard saying the wind today is the most gusty its been and the gusts have been blowing at different angles.
Brødholt I think in the ladies got picked up and dumped in the water. You just dont see that in normal conditions.
They have got the livestream and all the tech working now, doing a great job seeing how far the racing is from base camp.
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A course with deeper downwind angles might be a bit more even since that seems to be the direction that foils are most likely to explode and fins less worried about reaching the next mark.
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BTB wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:23 pm Agree with that. The gybing is fast with wide arcs and losing ground down wind doesn't seem to be an issue on foil in the same way as a fin. A fin sailor is far more disadvantaged if they run wide. This means the gybing on fin is tight with aggresive lines, the foils just arc round and they can point up on the way out without it impacting speed. This when you have both in a race is great to watch, but if its all foil it could get boring as they just go round like they are on rails and there is little chance to change a race by making a good tight fast gybe.
Yes - the fins can pull a lead on the foils on the first reach, but most of the fin riders will block the wind for each other at the first gybe and the foils will gain places easily.

We did have the fins doing better on Day 4 and part of that seemed to be down to the broader courses and the course being further from the shore to try to keep the wind strong at the inshore marks.
With Goyard having already won, it's not clear if he was taking it easy, but Huppert would still be full on to try to maintain his second place and he was finding it more difficult on Day 4.

It does seem that the Sea of Galilee wind is so unstable that it suits the foils more, but this does seem to be a lighter wind week compared to last week, so the fin guys may just be a bit unlucky with that.

The girls were sent out to foil in winds where the men were switching from foil to fin, and they did well with most of them finishing the course.
In the women's fin Slalom, Sarah Quita was using a 6.6m NP - the same as Albeau in similar wind.
Oda got lifted out of the water into a half-back loop in a gust, and Enrico got lifted into a little hop downwind and some tailwalking.
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Foiling has really progressed in racing. I watched some of the races and even on reaches Goyard was outpacing the fins.
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grantmac wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:32 pm A course with deeper downwind angles might be a bit more even since that seems to be the direction that foils are most likely to explode and fins less worried about reaching the next mark.
That seems to have worked. There were less complaints of upwind reaches on Day 4.
To make the best Show, they will need to set the courses to suit the fins.

The expectation for this this year was that the changeover from foils to fins would be between 15 and 20 knots of wind, but Goyard is using his foil up to 25 knots of wind - even 28 knots in the stronger gusts, and he was hitting 35 knots on the reaches with the fastest fins hitting 36 knots.

The fin racing makes a better show than foil racing. We have had everything at this event - split foil and fin racing for the women and mixed foil/fin racing for the men.
They could choose to separate the foil&fin or to combine them.

You do get some good hare & tortoise races, where the fin guys have a higher potential, but will make tiny mistakes, and the foil will be more immune to mistakes and gradually picks them off throughout the race. The perfect example of that was a heat where Matteo was the hare and Goyard caught him in a photo-finish at the end.
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Day 5 - the final day.

A memorable day 3 for Sarah Jackson and Helle Oppendal - with their first PWA Elimination wins.
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