2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by deckchair » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:22 am

thanks for the Vid ronnie ,although i think its still got one more vote to go to pass the ifoil for 2024. it also seems that the Rsx sailors have no problem converting
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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by Smidge » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:00 pm

Im delighted by this decision, however i have heard a few issues raised:

- kids moving up to RSX can get ratty second hand gear for next to nothing, only paying up for good gear if they decide to stick with it and are seriously competitive. They can then use their old gear for the rough and tumble of training and their newish gear for actual races, incurring little wear and tear and being able to sell easily at a fair price if they move on. There being no secondhand market (yet) for the ifoil means there is a massive financial barrier for adoption at the grass roots level and will be for several years

- some concern that lighter sailors will really struggle with control issues (and outright terror) much over 20 kts (presumably hence the fin)

- at other side of the coin, view that the wind minimum is unrealistically low for all but the lightest sailors as the heavy aluminium fuselage has a big impact

Interesting to see what happens with youth (16+) racing for those who would usually move to RSX (or drop out as RSX aint that popular...). Will the junior ifoil develop despite its huge price, will Bic (Tahes) foil and foil board and rig take off to fill the gap (used with existing techno sails it lowers the price a lot but doent look especially sophisticated), will kids just move on to Techno+ (same board and rig, but larger rig and fin also allowed if you want and its the Youth Olymipc Games kit for now), when they age out of Techno, and wait for the foiling side of things to settle

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by deckchair » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:23 pm

i hear what your saying smidge about the cost of the kit, but it must have been the same when the Rsx first came out and as long as the RYA step up to the plate...……. :lol:
Also is it possible to fit foils in the techo? i don't know what sort of box they have ? If you can then you can run a similar format with foil and fin .

The T15 guys can be introduced to low cost racing and foiling which leads onto the ifoil class. The ifoils can then race in an open class with the rest of us that can't afford the ifoil kit but want to have a go. a bit like the old gold and silver fleet formats

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:46 pm

Bic has the Techno 130 in a cheaper AceTec or Pro construction. It has a deep tuttle foil box.
https://isthmussailboards.com/2019-bic-techno-130.html

I don't know if there are plans to align the Techno Series with the iFoil program. There will be a safety issue if moving to foils for the Techo racing. They could maybe use the 6.8m OD sail for the girls and the OD 7.8m sail for the boys? to give some continuity from the Techno 293?

This is the foil. It is somewhat similar to the iFoil foil, but 810 sq cm with an 850mm 'mast'.
https://world.bicsport.com/windsurf/acc ... echno.html

This is it with a fin and 8m sail.


and with a foil.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:31 pm

Some slalom racing at the 2019 Techno Worlds


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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by Smidge » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:04 pm

They had one of those Techno foil boards and foils at the Techno Youth World Champs last week for the coaches to demo (using techno sails). Guess is they are trying to judge if they can get critical mass to push it as a one design race format for age 16+ youth together with existing techno sails - or maybe just trying to cross sell for recreational freeride.

The view from those who know about these things is that the deep tuttle in standard techno race boards is really not a good idea for foiling. 14kg + of board probably doesnt help either.

UKWA are already doing foil racing at the course racing events in open format (so dozens of kids on technos, a handful of retro enthusiasts on vast race boards and a few guys (and a girl) on super wizzy foils - albeit competing at slightly different times). Its really amazing to see the speed and angles these guys can go in negligible wind with their massive Severne Hyperglides and specialist boards. Also a bit worrying as away from the formal race course the foils come up behind the kids at unexpected angles, at high speed and with zero noise, just as the kids tack.....

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by deckchair » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:27 pm

Are the UKWA doing slalom or course racing with the foils?

Definitely the sailing rules will have to change for the safety of all sailors, because you just can't hear the foiler's coming!!! Although i do remember gold fleet sailors shouting at the silver fleet to get out of the way even though the silver fleet sailor's had right of way :D

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:26 pm

They could do things like replace the board with the Techno 130 and only use the foil for course racing in light winds. They could have a mandatory start on starboard tack with the foil and a long first leg to spread them out before they have to tack or gybe.
There are many things that could be done.

The different courses that have been proposed for the Olympics should make things more interesting, and the fin can be used a lot at the beginning until the foiling level gets higher.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by Smidge » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:03 pm

I saw last night that the youth rsx training program is going immediately over to foil (any foil, any board, and if you havent got one then they will beg borrow or steal one for you to use). Youth Nationals next year U19 will be done on Techno+ format and U21 on foils. Goodbye rsx.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:46 pm

When Neil Pryde were trying to promote their convertible foil board and sail, they offered that the equipment could be hired at the event and they then offered used equipment at reduced prices.
That meant that people could learn to foil on whatever they could get and then have an opportunity to compete and experience the competition event.
I don't know how successful that was - but the series didn't take off. Some of those will be available.

2024 is not far away, and in kite foiling, young racers have been dominating - maybe because they learn faster than older sailors?

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