2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

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2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:23 pm

The recommendation is for an iFoil package of one board, one sail, one boom, one mast, one fin, one extension and one mast base, and one foil (but with 2 fuselages).

It does seem that it is aiming mostly at Foil Course Racing competition, but there are 5 race formats as part of the proposal - though it is not clear when the fin would be used?
What do they do if there is always less than 5 knots? Can they pump round courses in no wind?

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/wp-c ... -paper.pdf

https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents ... 306%5d.pdf

The price for a full package looks good, and the amount of equipment is quite minimal.

The winning iFoil board is mentioned from 1:30 in this.


https://windsurf.star-board.com/products/ifoil/

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by rod » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:38 pm

Would be great to see foil racing in the olympics! But is the recommendation rather than the actual choice / decision?

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:36 pm

rod wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:38 pm
Would be great to see foil racing in the olympics! But is the recommendation rather than the actual choice / decision?
The Equipment Committee will review the recommendation at the Annual Conference in Bermuda (26th October to 3rd Nov. 2019) and then make their own to World Sailing’s Council, the main decision making body of World Sailing, who will make a decision on the equipment that will be adopted.

I can see why they chose to go for a foil optimised solution - because of the very light winds often associated with Summer Olympics.

I'm not sure if we will ever see 100cm wide Formula type foil boards being used with a 9m sail and 68cm fin for downwind slalom in 10 knots. The only possibility I can think of for using the fin might be for speed in a flat water offshore 30 knots?

Hopefully there will be racing like this in 5 to 10 knots.
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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by rod » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:47 pm

Marseille seems as if it is a pretty windy place even in summer so there maybe a good chance they are racing in strong conditions.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by BTB » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:10 am

Having one sail and a choice of foils and fin seems a bit odd. Why not also add a second or third sail to massively improve the wind range and quality of competion if the wind does pick up. An extra sail is no more expensive or difficult to deal with than an extra foil.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:00 am

BTB wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:10 am
Having one sail and a choice of foils and fin seems a bit odd. Why not also add a second or third sail to massively improve the wind range and quality of competion if the wind does pick up. An extra sail is no more expensive or difficult to deal with than an extra foil.
They only have one foil, but an extra fuselage ( which is about 1m long by 2cm by 2cm ).

This is a long but good video which explains equipment very similar to what has been selected.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by BTB » Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:23 pm

ronnie wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:00 am
BTB wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:10 am
Having one sail and a choice of foils and fin seems a bit odd. Why not also add a second or third sail to massively improve the wind range and quality of competion if the wind does pick up. An extra sail is no more expensive or difficult to deal with than an extra foil.
They only have one foil, but an extra fuselage ( which is about 1m long by 2cm by 2cm ).

This is a long but good video which explains equipment very similar to what has been selected.
But it is still one big sail. The wind range on a big sail like that tops out around say 15kts. What do they do when it's 20 or 25? A simple extra sail or 2 would turn that from dangerous / unworkable to a great contest.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by PK1111 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:52 pm

Another sail?

Heresy to the yachties.
Inconceivable!
Unnecessary expense and overly complicated!

We’ll have no such talk ever again.
Proper decisions must be made by a well informed and competent committee of men of proven fine upstanding stature.
Just be grateful we let you in!

Now then, another G&T is required after such hullabaloo.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by ronnie » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:41 pm

PK1111 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:52 pm
Another sail?

Heresy to the yachties.
Inconceivable!
Unnecessary expense and overly complicated!

We’ll have no such talk ever again.
Proper decisions must be made by a well informed and competent committee of men of proven fine upstanding stature.
Just be grateful we let you in!

Now then, another G&T is required after such hullabaloo.
They raced in Costa Brava with 8m sails in maybe 35 knots? (though they mention 40 knots). At an Azores event, they said it was gusting to 35 knots during one of the women's Foil Course Races and they were on 8m sails.

@ 14:30 in the video.

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Re: 2024 Olympic Sea Trials recommendation.

Post by BTB » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:28 am

ronnie wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:41 pm
PK1111 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:52 pm
Another sail?

Heresy to the yachties.
Inconceivable!
Unnecessary expense and overly complicated!

We’ll have no such talk ever again.
Proper decisions must be made by a well informed and competent committee of men of proven fine upstanding stature.
Just be grateful we let you in!

Now then, another G&T is required after such hullabaloo.
They raced in Costa Brava with 8m sails in maybe 35 knots? (though they mention 40 knots). At an Azores event, they said it was gusting to 35 knots during one of the women's Foil Course Races and they were on 8m sails.

@ 14:30 in the video.
"They spent a few hours on the beach waiting for less wind"!

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